hicntry wrote:Laws like this are a waste of time. Some of us spend way to much time breaking free range fur dogs off of deer to use them to track wounded deer down. I have killed as many deer as anyone and more than most and have never had the need to track one down. …..just don’t take the shot unless you have a clean shot.
Can you imagine having your breed ambassador being this stupid? Ive singled out Airedale breeders, primarily for not requiring any Standard Breed testing. As a result, the breed is in shambles, function and form, are horrible. Most cannot even track a live raccoon 300 yards, a track EVERY adolescent Drahthaar DD/DK/PP, must do AS a puppy test, (IN addition to Killing one).
At the end of the day, we hunt because we enjoy watching our dogs do what they were bred to do, and provide a service by way of ethical game management- conservation. They not only help us find the game pre-shot, but also to harvest and retrieve post shot, AND track game that would otherwise be lost, eaten by coyotes and scavengers, and by way of tracking, avoid dying a lingering, miserable death.
Blood tracking is a specific exercise in and of itself. A dog is Trained to ONLY track blood. The hard part isnt tracking the blood per se, it’s staying ON track, disregarding all other scent trails, even when live game- coons, rabbits, deer, bear or squirrels are jumped ON the trail. Or sorting out all of the footprints from Bubba & his buddys who spent hours contaminating the blood trail. It takes a special dog, that is disciplined, balanced, level headed, intelligent and works cooperatively with its handler, in recovering game-whether bow or gun shot.
Even with a well placed shot in Center Mass, game (humans included) can still move quite a ways, and still has 15-20 seconds to expire. So trails of 100-600 yards are not uncommon. For gut or should shot deer- trails of 5+ miles occur. Factor heavy in brush, swamps, rivers, hills, predators, No visible blood on a track, snow or rain, and dogs perform a valuable service in their tracking efforts. What might otherwise be lost, becomes a harvest.
How anyone refutes this, is only an indictment of their utter stupidity and jealousy. Highcountry has never produced a tracking dog, and his dogs have achieved nothing in hunt circles.
There are specialized dogs FOR tracking- like Bavarian Mountain Hounds, with Teckels, Drahthaars, Kurzhaars, being a next likely choice, followed by Beagles, Curs, Labs, Shepherds etc.
Bavarian Mountain Hound- Track Experts
Lodges & Private Hunters now making use of Bavarian Hounds- Specialists
I’ve been tracking wounded deer since the early 70s during that time when my bowhunting mentor “Tracker” Thomas introduced me to the art and science of blood trailing. Over the years, I’ve learned a few things but had to “Unlearn” some as well. Much of my “unlearning” came with the help of my tracking dog Radar who taught me more about following wounded deer than I could have ever hoped to learn alone. Radar came to me through John Jeanneney, who raises wirehaired dachshunds (Teckels) with his wife, Jolanta. Jeanneney has tracked more than 1,000 deer over almost 50 years, and is unquestionably the most knowledgeable deer tracker in the country. The pair have contributed much to what we know about tracking deer. John, is a former college professor and a scholar and has written two outstanding tracking books: Dead On and Tracking Dogs for Finding Wounded Deer (find them at: www.born-to-track.com).
Re: Breeding
Postby hicntry » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:36 pm
I suspect that if you followed IPO that closely you would know that it isn’t the only game in town. IPO and Schutzhund have different titles because I have a pedigree with both on the same dogs. There is also K9 Pro Sports and PSA just to name two other venues. K9 Pro Sports events are held in the USA, Europe, and Australia.”
Another gem from the forum idiot and case of a little knowledge being dangerous, especially from the uninformed, room temperature IQ, forum addict.
IPO & Schutzhund are the SAME title, Same Work, Same 3 criteria (Protection, Obedience, Tracking) with indistinguishable differences. IPO is INTERNATIONAL Rules, (implying Outside of Germany) and the other, Schutzhund the originator, is German based, with clubs adhering to parent club rules IN Germany. International IPO implies Schutzhund, just in other nations. They have since morphed into the same venue but never were distinct in work. Schutzhund and standard working dog breed testing originated IN Germany. And it created the finest working dogs in the world. And Still does (West German lines). Belgium, next door, uses KNPV & IPO, and produces some of the finest dogs that our military and Police departments import regularly- All bred to a standard. Same with Czech Republic- theirs more resembling IPO/Schutzhund however, with ZVV.
On IPO vs SchH, dont take my word for it, just watch an older IPO3 and Schutzhund 3 Protection trial on Youtube. Same tests & format.
The mentally challenged Highcountry is too stupid to know that his imported, working standard bred dog (for breeding to his backyard substandard lines ) from Germany, was titled in Schutzhund, in Germany, and then perhaps later in Austria, Switzerland, or Belgium under IPO, if it had those 2 titles.
Link here: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/articles.html?s=what-is-schutzhund-and-ipo
K9 Pro Sports is essentially a Joke, not my words per se but those on Working Dog Forum that know (of) its founder. Disgruntled man, Butch Capple, unsuccessful in Dog Sports, forms own trial format to pound chest- blah, blah, blah. See Labrador Retriever who placed 2nd in that venue- below. Some comments on K9 Sports Pro founder….
‘Butch is a flim flam man, I have heard many many stories, too many to regurgitate. Now, I know how many people get all butt hurt because their dog is shit, or they have found the secret training methods of the burundi, and a voice from a burning bush told them to feed raw.
You take those away, and there are plenty of people out there that have told me that he picks his winners ahead of time, and takes his share of the purse. That was years ago. Now, I don’t think people are shelling out money for old crooked candy man anymore.
I personally could give a ****, but this guy has scammed people and taken money. It is not the same as you train this and I train that. Some of you need to know your history.’
hicntry » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:53 pm USCA (United Schutzhund Club of America) is going strong and anyone here can look it up on line. IPO is run under the FCI if I am not mistaking. The pup that you think I am making stories up about was tested thru K9 Pro Sports(which you failed to mention) and was trained by Butch Cappel…..the originator of K9 Pro Sports. IPO is a sport dog only venue. IPO dogs are run of the mill, equipment trained dogs which are eliminated in K9 Pro Sports for that very reason. Just so you know, I am not blowing smoke like you are…..I don’t have to. The dog was tested against European dogs with European judges participating….pretty much makes it international in most peoples books. IPO is a wanna be sport….as Schutzhund has always been a test for breedability.
The dipshit is too stupid to know that many Police dogs, some with over 100 felony apprehensions, Compete IN Schutzhund/IPO.
The handler (below video) is a K9 Officer in a major city in the Midwest, member of SWAT for over 10 years, and has 100+ felony apprehensions and 1000s of searches with His dogs. He qualified for 10 World teams in Schutzhund with his K9 patrol dogs. They are not run of the mill or equipment focused, as Dipshit likes to claim. Or wannabee dogs. They get it done, ON the Street. In a violent, Top 20 Murder Capital, USA city.
Highcountry, the Drunk uninformed braggard, boasts about his backyard bred pup, 1 of 2000 with an actual ‘title’ beside a Therapy dog (calm & likes petted), winning a K9 Sports Pro Title. Below is a Labrador Retriever that placed 2nd in K9 Sports Pro. Absolutely No stress or resistance given from the decoy. You can see how ‘stacked’ the competition is with Labs running. (Rolls Eyes). Would you trust your life to this shallow gripping Labrador on the street, fighting off a 250 pound drug crazed man? Think this dog wasnt equiptment trained in low stress, high prey regime? Highcountry, youre a Freaking Idiot.
(As an fyi, PSA Protection Sport, conducts International trials with clubs in Canada, South Africa, Australia, India and has since 2011. No tracking, less strict obedience )
Show some humility, Highcountry, you stupid, drunk imbecile. Our Military and Police are importing Standard bred dogs, as a matter of course, from Holland, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Czech Republic. ALL of these dogs are Standard Bred dogs, Certified or directly from parents that are certified in KNPV, Schutzhund/IPO, Mondio Ring. If jackass thinks for a minute these dogs are playing a game, he is an absolute idiot. Some are literally trying to take the arm off of the handler, and incidents of decoy injuries, often common.
Jackass’s own dogs, when boasted over, (and subsequent bet was made as to whether or not they would protect Mr Highcountry when confronted by an intruder and bite off their face as he proclaimed), Ran into the next county. Like their master, they are yellow cowards. Easy to talk trash when youve done nothing..even easier when you know nothing.
For those interested in WHY Breeding standards are important, and have created the worlds finest military and hunting dogs, please see this link from an earlier press.
A wild encounter- brush pile.
Drahthaar locates a coon scent, trails, locates and closes.
Coon is dispatched within 30 seconds. Starts at 1 mimute.
Close at 1:20. Every drahthaar that is bred is expected to do just this.
No barking, no posturing, Just Close.
In Russia- acclimation to vermin. Ive never seen this formally before.
All this demonstrates is the obvious. These are video samples available on Youtube.
Watching the Airedale search could be worse than watching paint dry. Some airedale owners say their dogs can hunt all day. Well, that is obvious, as they go at a snails pace. They are not even used in their homeland of England to hunt, with hunters opting for Cockers, Springers and Labs to produce game, as well as specialist pointers and Euro versatiles.
VS Kurzhaar
Vs Drahthaar (Nice slam point of wild game at 1:43) HZP Intermediate test 18mo old dog
Vs Cesky Fousek (Not German, but close enough to illustrate my point)
This work requires a steady dog, and not too brave as an engagement will damage the valuable fur, with decent nose, to locate trapped game animals that have run off from a trap set. Airedales are said to be perfect for this work.
Note: Some trappers do not anchor their leg traps to prevent chewed off paws, so instead of anchoring, they use a (ninja like) small grapple hook at the end of the trap to snag in the brush and in most cases, the animals is naturally snagged, and does not engage in self mutilation. Im not a big fan of leg hold traps personally, preferring water drown type sets or humane foot traps, in additional to conibears as I used as a kid when fur paid decently.
Above is a German Bred Wachtelhund, used as a Den Dog to enter a coyote den, seek and destroy- momma, papa and adolescent coyote pups. This one is used by a licensed game hunter out West with great success. They are not known for standing and barking at vermin but closing on it.
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