Newton’s third law is: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects. The size of the forces on the first object equals the size of the force on the second object.
This blog is a REACTION and refutation, which mocks the untruths, lies, vitriol and bullshit promoted by former airedale breeder highcountry, whose comments with said untruths and bullshit, are featured below in the comments, which are dated. Nothing on here is unsolicited, but a RESPONSE, a reaction, a rebuttal and countering.
This site is dedicated to hunters, real working dogs and their dedicated breeders and clubs, and it mocks the frauds and hucksters in the dog world. ie Those that have no Quality Control, pimping pups to the unsuspecting, by telling good Jack London Tale -type stories. This is not a breed indictment, but rather a critique and honest commentary, readers can formulate their own opinions. To the few devoted Airedale breeders out there, your work is cut out for you.
How did this blog come about? Dispelling lies and myths on various dog forums.
On hunting airedale breeders, especially highcountry, there’s not a single photo of their dogs Treeing, or Putting teeth On vermin / Pulling fur.. Just dead game sniffing photos or “tailgate” pics (Hound dog men know this term) for the more gullible newbies on Vdogs forum. We were Born naked, not stupid. So to the shysters, liars, money driven at all costs, shortcut taking, excuse making, story telling cons, I say….
On the photos, folks, this is hunting.
Game management, that of managing vermin, is required of any real hunter when they are encountered.
It takes a hard dog to commit to fighting and dispatching. Selective breeding is key.
Owners of highcountry pups…
“Airedale fans are in love with the airedale of 1910. Which doesn’t exist anymore, I’ve been taking my ( Highcountry) Turnipseed bred Airedale to the woods hunting 2-3 times per week for 8 years and the only critter he’s ever caught was 1 skunk. Whereas my staghound has caught several bobcat, several coyote, a ringtailed cat and rabbits…and she’s a sighthound operating”
forkehornreggie 15 July 2012:
‘I have an Airdale and I found him on a website called “Hunting Airdales.com” Highcountry Airedales.
What is ironic is that when a gun is brought out he runs and is Extremly Scared.
His parents were Winchester and Remington. Good thing I’m an archerer instead of a gun hunter.’
‘I wouldn’t get one from HighCountry. The one I have from Don is a big, slow, gutless cripple. He has malformed toes and will lame-up if hunted more than twice per week. Hard headed too. I don’t like dogs that constantly have to be slapped on the head because there purposely doing the wrong thing. Oh, and they ain’t cheap, I paid 1450.00 (with shipping).’ Take care, Mike B.
‘The Coyotegods pup (6 weeks) was 500.00, and the Highcountry pup was 950.00 + 500.00 shipping. First dog was also psyco and was eventually put-down, second dog I still have and has a great temperment, but if I hunt him more than three day’s per week, (one hour per), he “lame’s up” and is useless.’
‘Some people are saying that Don’s Airedales are aggresive with other dog’s. I havn’t found this to be true at all, in fact, the only time my Highcountry Airedale has been exposed to strange dog’s, (two small, half starved, feral dog’s), was when we were out hunting and he stumbled upon them, they started barking at him, he tucked his tail and they chased him about 70 yards back to me… He also tucks his tail and runs from Coyotes. He is three now, so he should have SOME grit by now. He is also chronically lame and limping, I can’t take him out more than twice per week. He has been a COLOSSAL dissapointment.’ (1450.00 dollars). -Mike Berger
‘Do I sell to a lot of hunters, no, they don’t want to pay the price for a dog that may not survive the first hunt.’ -Don Turnipseed
Mike Berger on February 27, 2014 at 4:56 pm
I have had two Airedales from hunting lines, both were gutless, hard headed, stupid, barking pieces of crap. Here’s an example of the stupidity of my HighCountry Airedale. When he was about one year old, I would go into the yard with 3 rib bones for my dogs. The staghound and cur would instinctively sit and I would give each a bone. The Airedale I would give the command “sit” several times and then force him into a sitting position and praise him/give him the bone. I only did this once per week wanting to see how long before he would remember the lesson and sit when commanded. It took him ONE year(52 lessons), before he would sit on command! Truly a dumb dog.”
“When we are hunting, if he’s 50 yards away but out of sight, if I call him, instead of going to where he last saw me, he runs the opposite direction looking for me.(tracking on the Garmin). This dog is a product of 10 generations of inbreeding, so I suspect he’s typical of the High Country airedale line. One time I encountered a badger in the desert and sicked my Mogollon Rim(one half breeding) on the critter, he barked 2-3 times and wandered away. He ran away from a Javelina and got his hind legs ripped up. The Hicountry Airedale runs from coyotes and small dogs. Once a coyote chased him about 100 yards back to me. I think Al Kranbuhl probably has good dogs but I’m skeptical of the others.”
‘An update on my Highcountry Airedale…Last night a coyote jumped into my yard and attacked my little 23 lb mutt. The mutt is tough and fought hard and my 64 lb. staghound jumped in and fought the coyote also…My 73 lb. Airedale just stood there and facebarked the coyote….This morning the mutt and the staghound are cut and limping and the Airedale is unscratched because he’s a chickenshit SOB…’
* He Made claims that these comments are self generated from this author! So here’s another for you to track and determine who is truthful
Predator Masters Forum
woodguru- ‘Is Ol Turnipseed still peddling that BS?
I hunted two Airedale dogs directly from him, and they were neither tough or fast. I also hunted with some dogs that were off one of his super studs bred to a real coyote dog…none of the pups made the cut as coyote dogs.
Too slow, and coward hearted ta boot. Dont believe the hype!
See if you can go on a bear or lion hunt with him…LMFAO’
I say all the time “most folks want a good story, more than they want a good dog” and folks like you are exactly the reason I say it.
Now…. On with the blog!!!
As to their gameness, “Stonehenge,” in his “Dogs of the British Isles,” gave them a very bad character indeed, so far as courage was concerned.
“Airedale terriers are a Failure.
The result of my experiences of them is that I find them to have good noses, they will beat a hedgerow, will find and kill rats and rabbits, and work well with ferrets. They are good water dogs and companions, possessing a fair amount of intelligence.
This is the sum total of their excellence. They came to me with a great reputation for gameness, but out of fourteen that I have personally tried at badger and fighting with a bull terrier, I have Never found one game – at least, to my idea of the word.’
‘But any terrier that would do the above work better than another would be worth keeping. Were a dog like he of 45 1b. weight or more to be used at a badger he should kill the poor brute instead of merely “drawing” him.’
This is strong speaking, but this gentleman’s experiences corroborate every word of what has gone before, and the woeful exhibition made by some Airedales when tried at a badger at Wolverhampton last January was literally the laugh of the show.
So far, I am aware that my endeavors to supply information about the origin of the Airedale have not been attended with success, but upon the merits of the breed I can speak with more authority, having had the benefit of the experience of a gentleman who took it up some short time back from the glowing accounts he had heard of its gameness and bottom. The result was most Mortifying.
He could make nothing of the dogs, and was heartily glad to get rid of them. Prom what he tells me concerning Airedales, I have no doubt that they potter about the banks of a river, and take water well, and that they will kill rats, which, as they scale from 401b. to 501b., is not much in their favour.
I think that those individuals who at Wolverhampton show about 1883 made a semi-public exhibition of him against a badger, an animal the like of which the poor dog had never seen before, were extremely badly advised.
As for fighting, any terrier fond of it is a nuisance to his owner and to the owner of any other dog.
For the Airedale terrier was claimed superiority as a worker of the riverside after rats, and as an assistant to the gun in working hedgerows and thick coppices, which, it was said, he could do ‘better than a spaniel and take up less room than a retriever.’
‘I will even go further, and admit that specimens may be produced which will tackle a badger under protest; but not another step will I go in favour of the Airedales as a game, hard-bitten race.
Summing up the merits and demerits of the breed, it must be said of the Airedale that his want of heart, his size, the diversity of types, and tendency to throw back in breeding, are great drawbacks, which his fondness for water, scarcely out-balances.’
Therefore, when we find, as I believe we can, that a wire-haired Scotch, Dandie Dinmont, Skye, Irish, or small bull terrier possesses all the gameness of the Airedale (in addition to which they take up one quarter of the room, and can go to earth), the question only remains, ” Why keep an Airedale ? End…..
I dont breed, or promote any one breed here, you will see multiple breeds featured and given accolades for being as advertised. In the case of the Drahthaar and Jagd, their breed Cert. testing assures a high probability, competency & genetic inheritability of traits. Detractors/puppy mills too lazy and cheap to invest in breed testing/ health screening often discuss ‘averages’ as it relates to testing. These horses’ asses do not understand that EVERY group IS judged By Its average. Not the exceptional individuals, which frequent all groups, but only in small numbers, but among averages. We judge Horses, hunting / working dogs, feed / fighting chickens, milk / feed cows, even humans ie Blacks, Muslims, Jews on our Average experience with them. Bars for average standards, can also be raised and/or lowered.
The greatest dog breeds in the world were almost All exclusively established with Standard Testing-Pass / fail with Graded scoring system. German Shepherd, Rottweiler, Belgian Malinois, Dutch Shepherd, Riesenschnauzer, Boxer, Doberman, Game bred Pit Bull, Argentinian Dogo, Jagd Terrier, Deutsch Drahthaar, Kurzhaar, Pudelpointer, Munsterlander, Wachtelhund, Teckel, even Labs whose early trialing was set to a standard, before the trial type formats in the 1940-50s. I have given all airedale owners, including the low life, lying horse trader & bullshitter highcountry, this platform to prove me wrong, to upload video or photos. To date, no one has, except that of a gritty Welsh Terrier mistakenly thought to be an airedale.
WARNING: If hunting photos scare, or paralyzed you, then leave. This site is not for you. This site is however dedicated to working hunting dogs, and not ‘sporting’ dogs seen on English game shoots for the gentry. I view vermin management as part of the hunting requirement..
Originally Airedales looked liked this when it was bred for hunting and a semi respectable utility dog to earn its keep, though it was still called a ‘Failure’ by real working dog men in England.
TODAYS Airedale, Otterhound cur underneath it all.
Standing Around & Barking…
Grit? The cur/pit cross shows more, and thats saying alot…
Hunting Line Airedale Standing Around, Wont pull Fur
A Jagd, Patterdale and Mongrel pull fur, Airedale wont close. See a trend yet?
Wont close on a nearly dead, 3 legged fox with neck exposed! Hunt Line Dale.
3 legged trapped 30# bobcat, wont close.
Closers or Cowards?
4 on 1 and they still wont close. This Coyote gives more than he gets here..
Sniffing & barking at a Badger, will not close
On a dog forum, Mr Highcountry boasted of his dogs toughness on game. Later, it was revealed that this was a ‘tailgate’ photo, and that the badger had been shot with a 22-250, and the dog simply sniffed the dead critter as any hound will do in the truck. (Said photo here-notice bullet hole in side of animal-liars and frauds outed. Theres more)
Only pic of Dale close to closing, but Notice the coyote is hog tied, and shot with a sniper rifle setup. This dale is either a ‘decoy’ dog that runs FROM the coyote (Jagds, Bulldogs & Drahthaars dont run from vermin), or its a ‘tailgate’ picture, one made for unsuspecting viewers to think he is a game working dog. He’s NOT!
Real Working Dogs used by the serious Hunting Establishment. These are All Examples of Versatility and Hardness shown by Deutsch Drahthaars, Jagds, Teckels and Dogos. The DD and Jagd are all but 30 years old as breeds in this country, and have no marketing behind them but word of mouth, and strict breeding tests TO breed!
On to dispatching Vermin, treeing, trailing, dead game baying or outpointing a pointer.
And note quietness on a chain gang.
* See Feb 2013 Archives for more stories and photos of other breeds.
Will Even Fetch Coyotes After Dispatching, if Need be.
Putting teeth on fur
Drat and Jagd Terrier owned by Mr Schlapa
2 Drahthaars & Bulldog Vested and Ready To Boar Hunt
Drahthaars & Jagds Closing On Wild Boar
A Coon Hunting Drahthaar above.
This same dog also works well in the uplands, duck blind and is a great deer recovery blood tracking dog.
USA- Young Drathaar & Jagds Baying a Hog
highcountry is everything that is wrong in America, with dogs and with people…thank God for the JGHV, QC, and Strict breeding standards